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: This is man vs. machine in the same way that, say, rock climbing is man vs. mountain. The terrain is the challenge. Make sense? -- [[User:SamSim|SamSim]] 11:25, 26 November 2007 (PST)
: This is man vs. machine in the same way that, say, rock climbing is man vs. mountain. The terrain is the challenge. Make sense? -- [[User:SamSim|SamSim]] 11:25, 26 November 2007 (PST)
:: I know what he meant. I'm just saying that it's misleading because "man vs. machine" is a commonly used phrase with a different definition. [[User:Mjf314|Mjf314]] 18:53, 26 November 2007 (PST)
:: I know what he meant. I'm just saying that it's misleading because "man vs. machine" is a commonly used phrase with a different definition. [[User:Mjf314|Mjf314]] 18:53, 26 November 2007 (PST)
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"just plain cheating"
Just curious, but isn't glitch abuse obvious cheating? As is sequence breaking. IMHO. Where is the pride of speedrunning without breaking the rules in any way? Why, in order to be considered good, must one cheat in these ways? I'd think a 'perfect' or 'optimal' run would be one you do with no glitching or sequence breaking.... but maybe that's just me.--[[User:TheRogueX|TheRogueX]] 14:03, 30 November 2007 (PST)